I suppose my first exposure to the Crusades was a toy crusader knight from a cereal box given to me by my grandparents in the late 1960's. As a child of about 6 years old, this seemed wonderfully exotic and was a treasured gift for many a year. Growing up we all seemed to admire the tales of Richard the Lionheart, not knowing the reality behind the myth.
Many years ago after the visually superb 'Kingdom of Heaven' film came out, I did ponder long and hard as to whether to try and game this period using the Warmaster Ancients rules, but frankly was put off by the sheer number of bases and miniatures required. A common theme I fear looking back over many a project contemplated and then discarded by the wayside!
My next venture was somewhat off the beaten track, this time with the Baltic Crusades using Lion Rampant and/or Hail Caeser rules, inspired by Michael Leck's post on this period. He put me onto the 'Arn: Knight Templar' trilogy of books as well as the Swedish tv Series of the same name. As is sadly often the case, lists were drawn up, figures bought, plans made and then: nothing. the butterfly had flapped its wings and my mind had wandered onto yet another project.
Quite by chance Richard on his excellent Blog showcased a couple of excellent books that I'd not heard about nor considered reading. But always on the lookout for a good book I bought the following for a bargain price:
Then a few weeks later the chaps from Little Wars TV were back with a Battle for Acre game to kick off things in there new enlarged games room. I always like what these guys put on but my interest was really grabbed by the fact that they were using Lion Rampant II with a few tweaks for the game. Having playtested the original rules way back when, and others since in the same stable, I thought that this would be a good way to maybe scratch that itch from the 'Kingdom of Heaven' film initial idea. The game certainly looked fun and so I started to have a think about how I might go about this.
Looking at my bookpile I dug out the following which I bought as reference for the Baltic Crusades some 10 years ago or more:
Luckily for me it also has plenty of stuff on the 'traditional' Crusades that most people seem to play. Alongside this I remembered that a few years ago some books were released as almost 'army books' for Lion Rampant; one of the Vikings in the Mediterranean and the other on the Crusades. I'd considered the former but never the latter. However as my interest had been piqued, I managed to track down the Crusades book which duly arrived today.
From a quick flick through it really is a nice book and alongside the above, it will really give me plenty of ideas and options for forces to make for some small games and/or battles. Luckily I think I have enough figures for the Western Crusaders, only needing to make some purchases for the 'Muslim' forces.
So not having planned this project at all just a few weeks ago, it seems I have something else to keep the old grey cells ticking over! Not that I'm one to complain but let's hope I can get enough units based and painted to get these onto the table. Then of course I'll need some buildings and terrain...
Thanks for reading and for leaving a comment too.
TTFN.
Hi Steve J,
ReplyDeleteAhhh, the siren lure of the Crusades! This is on my to do list and in truth is probably the only 'knights in armour' gaming I would tackle. The Ashbridge title is on my 'to get' list and my thoughts are more DBA/Portable Wargame facing rather than Lion Rampant etc but who knows?
I really enjoyed Kingdom of Heaven - check out the extended version - despite the historical (or should that be hysterical?) liberties it took. Visually stunning and the soundtrack is pretty good as well.
All the best,
DC
I think it is on many a 'to-do' list for sure David. Whilst I admire the big battles approach, I like the smaller options with Lion Rampant re: the scenarios, but also the figure count. The same would be true of DBA/Portable Wargame.
DeleteIf you get to watch Arn: Knight Templar, you can see how Kingdom of Heaven 'borrowed' some of the stuff from his time in and around Jerusalem. Both are good for sure, but 'Kingdom' is certainly hard to beat visually.
Never heard of that Knight Templar series before. Must look it up some time, so thanks for the nod. Does it cover the 'crusades' on the northern shore of the Baltic too? You know, when the beastly Swedes invaded the freedom loving Finns?
ReplyDeleteThe books are very good, but the tv series comes close and is visually pretty cool too. It is very much based around Denmark and Sweden and the struggle between the two, leading up to the foundation of Sweden as a united kingdom. It does not include the struggle against the Finns, but does include some Norwegians. It was available on Amazon earlier this year.
DeleteVery nice Steve and obviously a period I enjoy. Kingdom of Heaven is a fantastic film and great inspiration. We have used LR for smaller games and Kings of war for larger games
ReplyDeleteThanks Matt and I've enjoyed seeing your Crusades games:). KoH is one of those films I can happily watch just to enjoy the visual spectacle, ignoring the story as it is a bit hammy at times...
DeleteGood luck with your new project it sounds most interesting.
ReplyDeleteThanks Peter and as with any project, the research is lots of fun!
DeleteHoorah for stepping into a New Project, Steve!
ReplyDeleteDipping my toes really at present Jon, so as not to get too distracted from other projects...
DeleteGood luck! One of my favourite period :))
ReplyDeleteThanks Michal! This might even re-kindle my Baltic Crusades project...
DeleteSounds like a project with many inspiring facets, Steve 🙂👍🏼. What size figures might you be using for this? And any particular manufacturer?
ReplyDelete(Only asking ‘cos 28mm seems to be the ‘weapon of choice’ for LR players, but I used 15mm, as that’s what much of my stuff is already, and didn’t want to scale-swap).
Looking through the LR Crusades book last night, there are sooo many tempting forces to create, it's hard to know where to start! All my Lion Rampant games, and others for that matter, are 10mm and from Pendraken. So easy to play on a 2' x 2' table or a tad bigger should you want. I've taken part in games with lots more figures per unit, with the bases counting for removal, not the actual figures. Looks very impressive when done like this!
DeleteQuick follow up q. - when you play with 10mm, how do you approach measurement? Do you eg use cm instead of inches?
DeleteI've either used cm's instead of inches, or simply halved the inch measurements and have found both work fine. A while since I played so can't remember which I preferred...
DeleteYou're new game room could also use a fancy new castle, like the dude on Little Wars. lol.
ReplyDeleteThe Crusades would be a very interesting period. LRII a good rule set to start with. 😁
Well I'm not sure I could make my petite pied de terre look remotely like a castle, but maybe a dungeon cell;)! However a small castle for the games table would be very nice and I know Leven Miniatures make some components, but sadly their website is still down. The Crusades has a lot more variety than I initially thought, so an interesting set of options to explore:).
DeleteInterested to see how this project progresses Steve. I hope you enjoy all your reading.
ReplyDeleteThanks Richard and I'm certainly looking forward to reading Asbridge's book:).
DeleteGreat project to undertake, one I hope to do myself one day! Will be following with interest.
ReplyDeleteI hope it will be Donnie! Currently focusing on another project as the deadline for the game is this Sunday. After that then maybe some Crusades research etc will happen...
DeleteThe crusades is always good for a wargaming diversion Steve - lots of variety and plenty of characters in exotic locations. And plenty of battles, raids, skirmishes etc.
ReplyDeleteFrom a wargaming perspective I’d recommend Ian Heath’s “A Wargamers’ Guide to the Crusades” - lots of useful info. For the northern crusades there’s the Society of Ancients booklet “Wargaming the Baltic Crusades” by Paul Stein.
FWIW many years ago I visited Israel and toured round a number of crusader castles. Mostly very good - some are mightily impressive but, sadly, events in the region have made many of the castles “out of bounds”.
Cheers,
Geoff
From my initial reading Geoff, there is a lots of choice for forces and scales of action too, which is good of course:). I'll keep an eye out for Ian Heath's book and luckily I have plenty of info on the Baltic Crusades already, thanks to Michael Leck's input and advice. I always fancied a walking tour of Lebanon after reading a good book on the subject, but I fear that is probably out of the questions for many a year to come now:(.
DeleteThe Heath book also has a gazetteer section - with maps and brief details of almost 200 crusader period castles. For a potential wargame campaign this is vital information.
DeleteThe book is available on eBay and Amazon at a reasonable price. Speaking of which… I note another of the crusader/castles books I have in my library is Kristian Molin’s “Unknown Crusader Castles” - eBay has a copy listed for just £5.60 with free p&p - an absolute bargain 😉- but other copies priced at £159, £189 and even £265. What the heck…? I’m glad I obtained my copy at a reasonable price.
I was checking the book out last night and it does look like it is a bit of a goldmine of info for the gamer:). Thanks for the 'heads up' on the other book too!
DeleteGood luck Steve, I seem to have found myself with a whole load of cavalry if you ever need more. Looking forward to catching up on Sunday.
ReplyDeleteThanks Stu! I think I'm OK on the cavalry front, but I assume all of your stuff will be 28mm for the Crusades? See you tomorrow:).
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